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Priv crime stuff...
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General Khael
2008-06-30 15:05:45 UTC
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Just a thought... Shouldn't the Privs be immune to their own
Government Center and police patrols reducing crime?
KlingonKommand
2008-06-30 19:51:54 UTC
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Privateers quite like crime. They get a bonus for high crime in their
bases.
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KlingonKommand
Black No.1
2008-06-30 20:31:27 UTC
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Privateers quite like crime. They get a bonus for high crime in their bases.
Guess that's the reason he asked?

Cheers,
Jochen
Lord Lancelot
2008-06-30 20:48:51 UTC
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Post by General Khael
Just a thought... Shouldn't the Privs be immune to their own
Government Center and police patrols reducing crime?
Make sense.

It's like if Government Center would reduce stress for the crystal.

Lord Lancelot
Phaidros
2008-07-01 08:51:28 UTC
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Post by Lord Lancelot
Post by General Khael
Just a thought... Shouldn't the Privs be immune to their own
Government Center and police patrols reducing crime?
Make sense.
It's like if Government Center would reduce stress for the crystal.
Lord Lancelot
Well, it's not that paradoxical. Even Pirates need some sort of
control by the state that helps them prevent their self-destruction.
If they lived a true anarchy they would not build any government
centers nor rely on a militia on a base to keep their members' rowdy
behaviour in check.

Phaidros
KlingonKommand
2008-07-01 20:41:32 UTC
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Phaidros figures
Post by Phaidros
Even Pirates need some sort of
control by the state that helps them prevent their self-destruction.
If they lived a true anarchy they would not build any government
centers nor rely on a militia on a base to keep their members' rowdy
behaviour in check.
So the anarchists fighting for the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War
could never have formed those militias...

Political terms tend to get hijacked and meanings imposed on them by
others. Anarchists are not anti-government per se. In the Spanish Civil
War, which started when Franco decided to overthrow the (democratically
elected) communist government, they were originally trade unions and
suchlike, and nearer what we would call Communism. They were doing OK,
but luckily for Franco, the Soviet-backed Communists turned on them
because they opposed the increasingly totalitarian system the
communist-dominated Spanish government was in favour of. (Perhaps some
of our Spanish readers will correct me on details here but I think
that's generally what happened.)

"In an anarchy, it is possible to have rules (laws), however, these must
be agreed upon by the participants in the system, and not imposed from
above" - Wikipedia
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KlingonKommand
Phaidros
2008-07-01 22:29:04 UTC
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Post by KlingonKommand
Phaidros figures
Post by Phaidros
Even Pirates need some sort of
control by the state that helps them prevent their self-destruction.
If they lived a true anarchy they would not build any government
centers nor rely on a militia on a base to keep their members' rowdy
behaviour in check.
So the anarchists fighting for the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War
could never have formed those militias...
Political terms tend to get hijacked and meanings imposed on them by
others. Anarchists are not anti-government per se. In the Spanish Civil
War, which started when Franco decided to overthrow the (democratically
elected) communist government, they were originally trade unions and
suchlike, and nearer what we would call Communism. They were doing OK,
but luckily for Franco, the Soviet-backed Communists turned on them
because they opposed the increasingly totalitarian system the
communist-dominated Spanish government was in favour of. (Perhaps some
of our Spanish readers will correct me on details here but I think
that's generally what happened.)
"In an anarchy, it is possible to have rules (laws), however, these must
be agreed upon by the participants in the system, and not imposed from
above" - Wikipedia
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KlingonKommand
Franco led an army, the Republic relied on ragtag militias from all
over the world. The resulting outcome I deeply deplore.

The Wikipedia definition gives the definition of how anarchy is
supposed to work in an ideal world. However, nobody has shown so far
that this ideal is empirically attainable. And even less so in times
of war, in which warfare organized on a large scale by one side to the
best of my knowledge has always beaten the more 'anarchic'-like forms
of warfare, which taking the ideal means a strategy reached by
consensus of the group or taking the empirical view meant a more or
less randomly guided warfare by various groups that had been unable to
obtain an overall consensus on ways and means.

Direct democracy doesn't seem to work well in times of war. One reason
may be that the alternatives you have to collectively decide upon are
too extreme (survival vs. death): "Err, we have just collectively
decided that you, you and you will stand in our first line of fire."
"Hey, that's not fair. We have been to the toilet when you did the
vote. Let's have another vote first!"

BTW who are the best-known Pirates? The ones who excelled in
(draconian) leadership.

Phaidros
Black No.1
2008-07-02 09:03:02 UTC
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Post by Phaidros
Post by Lord Lancelot
Post by General Khael
Just a thought... Shouldn't the Privs be immune to their own
Government Center and police patrols reducing crime?
Make sense.
It's like if Government Center would reduce stress for the crystal.
Lord Lancelot
Well, it's not that paradoxical. Even Pirates need some sort of
control by the state that helps them prevent their self-destruction.
If they lived a true anarchy they would not build any government
centers nor rely on a militia on a base to keep their members' rowdy
behaviour in check.
Phaidros
First off they are "Privateers" - not "Pirates".
See them more like the IMT - people who know how to make money.
Of course they know that sometimes you have to make someone "look away", in
order to keep the business going on.

What about:

"Privateers tend to bribe the magistrates in the Government Centers resulting
in an increase of crime. The downside is, that (up to?) 10% of the money sent
to the Galactic Bank are payment of the bribe and go missing in the process."

Cheers,
Jochen
General Khael
2008-07-02 16:45:40 UTC
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Post by Black No.1
Post by Phaidros
Post by Lord Lancelot
Post by General Khael
Just a thought... Shouldn't the Privs be immune to their own
Government Center and police patrols reducing crime?
Make sense.
It's like if Government Center would reduce stress for the crystal.
Lord Lancelot
Well, it's not that paradoxical. Even Pirates need some sort of
control by the state that helps them prevent their self-destruction.
If they lived a true anarchy they would not build any government
centers nor rely on a militia on a base to keep their members' rowdy
behaviour in check.
Phaidros
First off they are "Privateers" - not "Pirates".
See them more like the IMT - people who know how to make money.
Of course they know that sometimes you have to make someone "look away", in
order to keep the business going on.
"Privateers tend to bribe the magistrates in the Government Centers resulting
in an increase of crime. The downside is, that (up to?) 10% of the money sent
to the Galactic Bank are payment of the bribe and go missing in the process."
Cheers,
Jochen
Ouch! Sounds interesting, but again... ouch! how much crime would
this be causing? Perhaps a command code to enable this would be
appropriate? Crime increase based on the actual amount spent?
Lord Lancelot
2008-07-02 19:33:27 UTC
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Post by Black No.1
"Privateers tend to bribe the magistrates in the Government Centers resulting
in an increase of crime. The downside is, that (up to?) 10% of the money sent
to the Galactic Bank are payment of the bribe and go missing in the process."
Cheers,
Jochen
10% seem high, how about 2 - 5% ?
Does crime really pay up for the priv ?

Lord Lancelot

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